where this is all going to the extent we'll have another crisis it's probably not going to happen on wall street. but it will be about countries, greece and italy and spain. it will be in states like california. at some point just like lehman brothers, just like banks who don't want to trade with lehman brothers because they worried they weren't going to pay the money back, that will happen on a much grander scale. that's where this whole conversation will ultimately head. >> brown: briefly, john, in the meantime, this investigation into lehman and dick fold the former leader, all that continues, right? we're still trying to get to the bottom of what happened. >> yes it does. the financial crisis inquiry commission which is a body set up by congress, a bipartisan body, is due to produce another report about all this in december. they've been interviewing all the people concerned, bernanke, dick fold, hank paulsen, so there will be another version of events in december. we'll just to wait to see what they come with. perhaps they can solve the mystery of why lehman was allowed to fail. >> brown: john cassidy and andrew ross sorkin, thanks.